this is a copy of the round robin email sent out today.
i am confident that there is no problem with passing it on.
the wheels grind on, it is good to know that not much gets by these investigators.. dear all, i apologise for not being in contact over the last couple of months, but due to ongoing legal matters our inquiries into watch tower bible and tract society of britain and manchester new moston kingdom hall have been moving at a slower pace than we would have liked.
Thx, Slidin' Fast! It is great to know the whole picture, and that there are at least some people that can see thru the curtain/veil the WT holds in front of so many people's eyes! And they just may have the power to do something about it!
Awesome! Cha Ching!
i was invited to a congregation in ontario, canada today and as soon as the meeting opened the brother conducting the meeting said there was a very important statement coming from the borg.
this talk replaced the two last parts of "living as a christian" section.
he started reading a letter from the borg about how much they loved us.
Listener: "They can't appropriately call it persecution because it's not."
Splash: 'It's not persecution when they've done something wrong, it's accountability.
That's like saying all criminals are being persecuted by the police."
These concise,short summaries would be a great idea to memorize.
Persecution vs. Accountability.
i was reading the book 'five stages of collapse' by dmitry orlov, which discussed in part, people's attitudes toward the probability of societal collapse.
one group of people, those who dispassionately examine facts, like scientists, engineers and accountants ultimately become diametrically opposed to the group of people with vested emotional interests, like politicians, businessmen and economists.
and he made some interesting comments that parallel our situation when we consider how people are polarized over the future of the organization..
Very true, ScratchMe, real estate business it is.... It has money, it can just keep buying/ selling as a real estate business.... but will it still be a 'religion'?
I hope not, I WISH not, I praaaaaaaaaaaaay not (even tho I don't pray), but just thinking about the way people are, I think SOME JW's will still keep 'believing' in what the WT has put out over the years, just like there is still a 'Bible Students' organization, even tho the religion got morphed into "JW's".
My cousin, who is DF'd, not living the life of a JW, not gone to a meeting in years, not planning to, has an family members who are JWs, and when he found out I was no longer "going" he said "Oh, that's too bad."
That being said, I will just have to wait and see.
right now, there are a lot of talks on this topic in quebec and, at the mid week meeting, they are reading the letter sent in 2002 where it states that the elders will call the authorities if the law forces them to.
the strange thing is, it looks like even when there are laws to that effect, jws seem to believe that it does not apply to them.
for instance, i know that they do not report anything in quebec, even if it is the law!
So true, Flipper, when you simplify it:
Elders are always told they have to call the Society.
Victims are never told they have to call the police.
Their values are transparent.
i am not a jehovah's witness, although i do respect your religion entirely.
i am 27 years old, and live in minnesota.
i have an older cousin, who's mother (not with my uncle -separated when my cousin was a baby) had been a witness, grew up in your word, and about 12 years ago she fully converted.
I don't know if this has been mentioned, I haven't read this whole thread, but if witnesses started buying $1,000,000 rider policies for the WT, Bethel would start training sharpshooters!
how jehovah's witnesses leaders hide child abuse secrets at all costs.
by trey bundy.
reveal news.
The WT's agent, Arthur Ash told the court that it would take years to sift through all the files, but they sure "redacted them" as in 'lickety splity'!
How does that work?
what do you believe , is a confessional something that is sacred between the the two parties involved ?
or does it depend on the severity of the crime/sin.. or is their a responsability of the recpient of the confession to divulge what he/she knows about the crime.?.
what we see in movies ,tv, etc shows it is a no no .but is that true ?the confessional is only between the two involved.?.
When questions are asked, it makes people think.... People need to realize a change is needed.
https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/secrets-of-the-watchtower/?utm_source=reveal&utm_medium=dist&utm_campaign=zalkin.
not only will you hear howie tran, former-bethelite, but irwin zalkins talks about watchtower's child abuse secrets.
debbie mcdaniels talks about her child abuse and you will hear trey actually talking to the jw who molested her..
Hey DATA-DOG... In answer to your question, how can we support Trey?
When we asked that question, here is the answer we received:
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cha ching
what do you believe , is a confessional something that is sacred between the the two parties involved ?
or does it depend on the severity of the crime/sin.. or is their a responsability of the recpient of the confession to divulge what he/she knows about the crime.?.
what we see in movies ,tv, etc shows it is a no no .but is that true ?the confessional is only between the two involved.?.
The leadership of JW's have to be concerned that people will question how God's Holy Spirit" and "Christ's leadership" could result in the problems that are occurring & have occurred with child sex abuse in the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses.
In addition, remember when homosexuality and bestiality were not grounds for divorce? An "adjustment in policy" had to be made. One has to wonder, if Jesus took charge in 1919, how does one explain how these harmful policies hurt the sheep in "God's organization"? The Society wants to avoid answering these questions.
That is why, as Irwin Zalkin (defense attorney for 18 child abuse cases) said, "The WT is acting more like a business."
what do you believe , is a confessional something that is sacred between the the two parties involved ?
or does it depend on the severity of the crime/sin.. or is their a responsability of the recpient of the confession to divulge what he/she knows about the crime.?.
what we see in movies ,tv, etc shows it is a no no .but is that true ?the confessional is only between the two involved.?.
Vidiot: :-) Yep, I was there, I remember when, 'some older ones really don't seem to think it's as big a deal as people nowadays do (i.e., "sin" as opposed to "crime").'
Yep, I knew you were just explaining/ not condoning... as I really think people were not aware of the extent child sex abuse existed (maybe more than you even realized, as a lot of people do not even speak about what happened, I know people who haven't, even ex-JWs) People really did not know how much it hurts kids.
That being said...... After all these years, I was recently struck by the simplicity of it all:
Crime is the key word. Child abuse is a crime. Protect other children. Report it to the police.
